Coordinators Team:
Rajesh: I feel let’s combine the key programs. A half day or full day spent at school will help. We can share the time slots, classes; A Festival atmosphere will be created!!!
Yogish: Yes good idea to combine some of the key programs and share the time slots at pre-selected schools. 👍.
Kollegala Sharma: Yes. Done.
Manjula 3: Good idea after dasara holidays we planned
Kollegala Sharma: Not more than 3 program a day. If for different groups simultaneously four.
Rakhshith: Yes we can do on Saturdays and Sundays. Where we can cover two schools per day
Sulochana: Its OK u can do only Saturday in schools
Rajesh: Some Teachers are open for Sunday and many students like Sunday Classes. We need to plan to do program combining cluster schools in that area. So the reach is more!!! Sir it is not in govt
Mudigere: Government schools sir?
Hemanth Sharma: Whenever a program is scheduling on a day which is holiday, I take all stakeholders into confidence, no one should feel forced. Otherwise we will start getting resistance not good for an organization like us. Sometime forcing is not explicit and stake holder may not express it openly, it is still not good
Mudigere: They should love it
Kollegala Sharma: We can start on a Saturday, and make them ask for Sunday too😀 that is the only way to go in such cases. Make them want it.
Hemanth Sharma: Yes, let the demand come from them, do not ask for it
Mudigere: Our responsibility to create such an environment
Rajesh: In one school I have reached that stage
Kollegala Sharma: I too have done the same. Students want more.
Yogish: I am sure the demand has come from teachers/students due to joyful methods of teaching adopted by Rajesh and Sharma sir
Appreciate your effort 👍
Mudigere: Wow….awesome….. Sulochana madam, I feel some government schools are interested even fir Sunday madam.V v positive input sir
Awesome Rajesh sir
Core Team:
Yogish: A new event named Jeevana Koushalya is added in to our web page. This program will be conducted by Rakshithraj in govt schools. This program is free of cost. Weekly one hour program for a month per program/module.
Please visit this page for more info and to enroll your school.
http://www.mangalorelink.com/school/events/jeevana-koushalya.
Technology in rural school using solar power, raspberry Pi and offline contents such as khan academy lite and offline scratch
Dr Chandrashekhar HB: My today’s write up in Prajavani sahapati on disciplining children without punishment
DS Technology Evangelists:
Yogish: Technology in rural school using solar power, raspberry Pi and offline contents such as khan academy lite and offline scratch. Some modern LED-LCD monitors have a power pack outside of the LED monitor. They provide 12 V DC input socket to monitor. In that case you don’t need inverter. Directly you can connect 12 V output of the battery to TV/monitor. You can use inexpensive (Rs 100) 12 to 5 v regulator or USB adaptor to power your raspberry Pi. You can save bulky inverter cost, which is about Rs 5000 I guess.
Kollegala Sharma: I tried one. But they need lot of darkness. I still have it with me.
Hemanth Sharma: What is the cost, any idea? Without inverter, powering pi is not a problem I believe it has 10w requirement powering display is.
Yogish: Power requirement for 22 inch LED monitor is 30 watts. So you don’t need huge battery to power Pi and LED monitor. Just 40 watts total power is good enough. Solar panel for 100 watts is about Rs 5000 and the switch which monitors the temperature and controls the charging/overcharging of battery is about Rs 2000 to 3000 I guess.
Total cost should not go more than Rs 10000 which will easily power 2 LED monitors and 2 Raspberry Pi for about 6 to 8 hours per day. – Just my rough estimation.
Hemanth Sharma: OK so total 28k for two computer 10+9+9 our estimation
In rural area without power
Kiran: We have done this pilot with SELCO (Solar) it costs Rs 20,000 for power solution compared to 60,000 for running a desktop for 4 to 6 Hrs. With 3 Years AMC (Which is also crucial)
Yogish: This is for rural India where there is no electricity in school. Solar is not cost saving. If you have electricity, solar is a bad choice now.
Kollegala Sharma: Electricity is there, but not during school hours.
Kiran: + 10 K for Raspberry kit assuming 100% buying option.
Yogish: Electricity cost is just Rs 25 per month per 22 inch monitor ( based on Rs 2.60 per unit if your consumption is less than 30 units per month) if you switch on monitor for 8 hours a day for 30 days.
Kollegala Sharma: Many-a-time. So at SVYM we made a provision to carry UPS n battery too to power projectors n TV. But then we have a mobile lab with a van to carry all these. We need to put together a system that one persin can carry and set up anywhere.
Yogish: You mean with monitor keyboard http://www.mangalorelink.com/school/projects/affordable-technology-in-schools please go through this and let me know your feedback if there is any correction is required
There are 3 options
- Raspberry Pi with Internet access
- Raspberry Pi without internet option
- Raspberry Pi in rural school where there is no power and Internet
Kiran: Sharmaji, just do it unless we do we will not know. Do one Solar pilot with Raspi I will send SELCO’s proposal and connect you with right people. Harish Hande of SELCO is an MIT graduate & Magsaysay award winner (Asia) for his social work.
Kollegala Sharma: Will surely. Havent met Hande, but do know about his work.
Yogish: Rs 20000 for how many desktops?
Kiran: In that post I have assumed monitor and keyboard will be donated hence free
Kollegala Sharma: How about connecting to a TV seller to get old 32″ monitors which they buy back on exchange program? May be Flipkart CSR?
Kiran: 3 Raspberry kits.
MCE Kiran: 11 inch LED TV from world tech costs 4400 you should use this for solar options since it consumes 5 to 10 watts of power. This is also used in Car TV. 32 inch is a power hogger instead convince corporate to give it free (Monitor) Infy gives to Govt Schools.
Yogish: Good option because it uses 10 watts of power. I feel at least 22 inch is required to teach in school.
22 inch cost is Rs 8K to 10 K
Hemanth Sharma: If we need to buy we should buy monitor than TV a monitor 21 inch can be acquired for 2.5 to 3k a second hand should cost Less
Yogish: TV monitor is better I guess because you get built in tuner and sound, I don’t know the cost difference between monitor and TV. If cost difference is huge monitor is better choice.
MCE Kiran: My suggestion does one pilot and sees the impact. Second hand, I am not optimistic and go for second hand only if it is free 😉 don’t pay for it.
Kollegala Sharma: I meant second hand free.😊
I prefer TV because I may then even forgo mm projector. For small classes TV should serve as well. As Kiran suggested will take up a pilot to see how it works.
Yogish: Projector is more portable and has flexibility to increase the screen size to 100 to 150 inch depending upon your class room size. Wifi streaming and playing directly from USB drive is really good.
Kollegala Sharma: Yes. Projector is ideal. But in most places we will have to display in open. Then a TV would be good. With Raspi all other options can also be made available. I am looking at small classrooms of 10 – 20
Hemanth Sharma: Just take care of resolution a low cost TV may not be good for text reading
MCE Kiran: You cannot read text if it is not LED TV 😒it is good for video it’s resolution is 600 x 240 (our old TVs)
Hemanth Sharma: Second hand monitor you may get easily as they were around from a long time (CRT work here)…a high resolution second hand tv most probably will be difficult to get(CRT is of poor resolution here) even small size led tv do not have good resolution
Mudigere: Will see
Yogish added NGO Leelavathi. Few volunteers are registered for October workshop. Is it okay to add new registrants of raspberry Pi workshop in to this group? Creating another group makes very difficult to track all the discussions. How about sending the full list of participants to Kiran directly few days before the event without adding them here?
Kiran: Add them here. Let them also learn from discussions. I agree we should have one group
Yogish: Agreed. Please note that the list generated from our website (from October month) will be the actual list of participants.
Hemanth Sharma: There is dashara break from 8 to 25 Oct all planning need to be done keeping this in view
Yogish: I don’t have Dasara break 😩
Kiran: We will use that time to train DS Evangelists who are not in Govt schools.
Hemanth Sharma: This is for govt. School they will be closed this time we may not get school support. Activities that donor need school support can continue .Do not
MCE Kiran: I meant people like You, Girish, Prabhu, Guru and all your friends.
Yogish: Our tiger team
Mudigere: If there is break for us…..it help better planning and execution for government schools
Yogish: All our October programs including ‘seedball’, ‘life skill, has to be done only after Dasara holidays.A good break (from school) for me too until October 25
Mudigere: No way sir……24×7 needed…….few minutes daily please
Yogish: Technology in rural school using solar power, raspberry Pi and offline contents such as khan academy lite and offline scratch
Kollegala Sharma: I tried one. But they need lot of darkness. I still have it with me.
Yogish: Some modern LED-LCD monitors have a power pack outside of the LED monitor. They provide 12 V DC input socket to monitor. In that case you don’t need inverter. Directly you can connect 12 V output of the battery to TV/monitor. You can use inexpensive (Rs 100) 12 to 5 v regulator or USB adaptor to power your raspberry Pi. You can save bulky inverter cost, which is about Rs 5000 I guess.
Hemanth Sharma: What is the cost, any idea? Without inverter, powering pi is not a problem I believe it has 10w requirement powering display is.
Yogish: Power requirement for 22 inch LED monitor is 30 watts. So You don’t need huge battery to power Pi and LED monitor. Just 40 watts total power is good enough. Solar panel for 100 watts is about Rs 5000 and the switch which monitors the temperature and controls the charging/overcharging of battery is about Rs 2000 to 3000 I guess.Total cost should not go more than Rs 10000 which will easily power 2 LED monitors and 2 Raspberry Pi for about 6 to 8 hours per day. – Just my rough estimation.
Hemanth Sharma: OK so total 28k for two computer 10+9+9 our estimation
In rural area without power
MCE Kiran: We have done this pilot with SELCO (Solar) it costs Rs 20,000 for power solution compared to 60,000 for running a desktop for 4 to 6 Hrs. With 3 Years AMC (Which is also crucial)
Yogish: This is for rural India where there is no electricity in school. Solar is not cost saving. If you have electricity, solar is a bad choice now.
Kollegala Sharma: Electricity is there, but not during school hours.
MCE Kiran: + 10 K for Raspberry kit assuming 100% buying option.
Yogish: Electricity cost is just Rs 25 per month per 22 inch monitor ( based on Rs 2.60 per unit if your consumption is less than 30 units per month) if you switch on monitor for 8 hours a day for 30 days.
Kollegala Sharma: Many-a-time. So at SVYM we made a provision to carry UPS n battery too to power projectors n tv. But then we have a mobile lab with a van to carry all these. We need to put together a system that one person can carry and set up anywhere.
Yogish: You mean with monitor keyboard? http://www.mangalorelink.com/school/projects/affordable-technology-in-schools please go through this and let me know your feedback if there is any correction is required
There are 3 options
- Raspberry Pi with Internet access
- Raspberry Pi without internet option
- Raspberry Pi in rural school where there is no power and Internet
Kiran: Sharmaji, just do it unless we do we will not know. Do one Solar pilot with Raspi I will send SELCO’s proposal and connect you with right people. Harish Hande of SELCO is an MIT graduate & Magsaysay award winner (Asia) for his social work.
Kollegala Sharma: Will surely.Havent met Hande, but do know about his work.
Yogish: Rs 20000 for how many desktops ?
MCE Kiran: In that post I have assumed monitor and keyboard will be donated hence free
Kollegala Sharma: How about connecting to a tv seller to get old 32″ monitors which they buy back on exchange programme? May be Flipkart CSR?
MCE Kiran: 3 Raspberry kits.11 inch LED TV from world tech costs 4400 you should use this for Solar options since it consumes 5 to 10 watts of power. This is also used in Car TV. 32 inch is a power hogger instead convince corporate to give it free (Monitor) Infy gives to Govt Schools.
Yogish: Good option because it uses 10 watts of power. I feel at least 22 inch is required to teach in school.
22 inch cost is Rs 8K to 10 K
Sharma: If we need to buy we should buy monitor than tv a monitor 21 inch can be acquired for 2.5 to 3k a second hand should cost Less
Yogish: TV monitor is better I guess because you get built in tuner and sound, I don’t know the cost difference between monitor and TV. If cost difference is huge monitor is better choice.
MCE Kiran: My suggestion do one pilot and see the impact . second hand, I am not optimistic and go for second hand only if it is free 😉 don’t pay for it.
Kollegala Sharma: I meant second hand free.😊
I prefer TV because I may then even forgo mm projector. For small classes TV should serve as well. As Kiran suggested will take up a pilot to see how it works.
Yogish: Projector is more portable and have flexibility to increase the screen size to 100 to 150 inch depending upon your class room size. Wifi streaming and playing directly from USB drive is really good.
Kollegala Sharma: Yes. Projector is ideal. But in most places we will have to display in open. Then a TV would be good. With Raspi all other options can also be made available. I am looking at small classrooms of 10 – 20
Hemanth Sharma: Just take care of resolution a low cost tv may not be good for text reading
MCE Kiran: You cannot read text if it is not LED TV 😒it is good for video it’s resolution is 600 x 240 (our old TVs)
Hemanth Sharma: Second hand monitor you may get easily as they were around from a long time (CRT work here)…a high resolution second hand tv most probably will be difficult to get(CRT is of poor resolution here) even small size led tv donot have good resolution
Mudigere: Will see.
Yogish added NGO Leelavathi. Few volunteers are registered for October workshop
Is it okay to add new registrants of raspberry Pi workshop in to this group ? .
Creating another group makes very difficult to track all the discussions.
How about sending the full list of participants to Kiran directly few days before the event without adding them here ?
MCE Kiran: Let them also learn from discussions.I agree we should have one group
Yogish: Agreed. Please note that the list generated from our website ( from October month) will be the actual list of participants.
Hemanth Sharma: There is dashara break from 8 to 25 Oct all planing need to be done keeping this in view
Yogish: I don’t have Dasara break 😩
Kiran: We will use that time to train DS Evangelists who are not in Govt schools.
Hemanth Sharma: This is for govt. School they will be closed this time we may not get school support. Activities that donor need school support can continue😄
MCE Kiran: I meant people like You, Girish, Prabhu, Guru and all your friends.
Yogish: Our tiger team 👍👌
Mudigere: If there is break throughfor us…..it help better planning and execution for government schools
Yogish: All our October programs including ‘seedball’, ‘life skill, has to be done only after Dasara holidays.A good break (from school) for me too until October 25 😄
Mudigere: No way sir……24×7 needed…….few minutes daily please
Hemanth Sharma: No break for volunteers, only our canvas “govt. Kid” will not be there volunteers activities should continue
Gururaj Paramesha: *Hearty congratulations to #ISRO on successfully launching PSLV-C35 carrying SCATSAT-1 & 7 co-passenger *satellites.*
Its Technology group so I posted this..
MCE Kiran: This monitor (Dell) is ready for Donation (it has been used for 4 years), I had brought with me yesterday to test if it is in good condition thanks to Dhanvin and his dad for doing the POC 😊
https://m.facebook.com/hkjakhmola/posts/1395520387143767
Hemanth Sharma: That monitor was really in very good condition looking nearly new, let’s search for a sponsor that can donate pi kit, new mouse and keyboard can be acquired for as low as rs400. We can donate a new system then to a needing school. We should not donate till we are not sure of need, Otherwise it will remain idle.
Paramesha: V need to evaluation on each of the workshop we do…Need to do
Kollegala Sharma: How do you do unless we define specific goal?
Paramesha: Yes true sir..thats what I was thinking.What should be the outcome of each workshop .We have to define. ..
Yogish: I think the short term goal is to prepare 10 volunteers to conduct workshop independently. Also to handle some of the technical, hardware, software issues related to computers in schools.
Kollegala Sharma: To evaluate a workshop like the 24th will be difficult. It had mixed audience and Kiran managed it to the best possible extent. If we take the goal as making people aware of pi and how computing basics can be taught to children, yes the goal was reached.
Yogish: Expectation from volunteers are already defined in enrollment form
Kollegala Sharma: Perfect. One master evangelist for each purpose. Lot of shishyas to spread the message.
Yogish: Of course one workshop is not enough to train volunteers fully. That’s why volunteers are welcome to Kiran’s future workshop too to help him and understand the technology fully.
Kollegala Sharma: Expectations vary and are only guidelines for the tutor. But did he/she achieve what was proposed? The proposal need not meet all expectations.
Yogish: Agree. Let’s find out in the upcoming Kiran’s classes.
Kollegala Sharma: I am interested to hear Kirans feedback on saturdays workshop.
Mudigere:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1301830736501960&id=100000251396832
If this is true in one part of India..lets try in Government Schools all across other places in the rest of the world…..
MCE Kiran: Here is my suggestion to have measurable tasks which we can take up to move ahead. Each one of us by this weekend (2nd Oct) create an animation of your choice and share on mit portal and share the project code like how Yogish did. This will give us an idea about how committed our Volunteers are 😉
Yogish: Happy to know that my assignment is done already 😉
MCE Kiran: I am working with some of our volunteers and Kodihalli staff on how to measure effectiveness of this intervention with children. We are coming up with an assessment framework which we can use before and after (some time interval), will share with you once finalised. You are most welcome to share any best practices you have come up with. My mail id is Kiranng@yahoo.com
Kiran: We need nine more in first phase 🙂
MCE Kiran: Starting November let each one of us target 2 schools per month, at the end of 13 months we would have covered 240 schools ! Does this sound exciting ? Or shout a different number which excites you
Paramesha: Nice thought. ..its achievable n measurable. ..
MCE Kiran: Guru, I assume you are committing for 2 schools in November and an animation by this Saturday. You can use any platform not necessarily Raspberry Pi.I commit to give my full support you can even call me or meet me one on one.
Paramesha: From my side I would like to take one Govt School and one B.Ed college… from November I will take it sincerely since my PhD classes will start by October and end by first weekend of November
In October I will work with Kiranji to understand completely on Raspberry Pi n Scratch…Paramesha: I will put my honest efforts
MCE Kiran: Do we have list of schools ? I will share the template which we use to ensure some minimum criterion which will help us to prioritise for this intervention
+91 7……: Kiran, I can connect you with P2 – they are a bunch of professionals with volunteers from Princeton, MIT and other top notch colleges. They can help build a proper impact measurement framework of the intervention we are having here.They have been already been doing that for their programs and I was just talking to them yesterday about what we are doing here.Also personally I would like to target one school and see what it takes to make the program effective – capture the learning – find out means and ways by which we can make it scalable and then scale it down to more schools.Because If we are failing in one school – that means if we are doing something wrong – we will keep repeating that in all the schools
So in my opinion it makes sense to have at least one pilot school where we can do all it takes to make the program effective
Yogish: Excellent input Kiran and Rajiv 🙏
MCE Kiran: Can you get any document from them which will help us. Too many cooks will also be 🙂 with due regards..
+91 7…..: I can send you a bunch of documents that tell you how to measure program impact
Hemanth Sharma: There Will be two animation one from me and atleast one from Dhanvin. He created far more already
MCE Kiran: One animation target is for youngsters with 20+ years of experience 🙂 I know Dhanvin will churn out one every 10 minutes… Good going Hemanth.
+91 7….: But this program needs to be studied in its own light – what objectives we are trying to accomplish, how are students reacting to the program, what is the result we are creating
+91 7….: There are a few models that we use to measure program impact – Kirkpatrick’s 4 stage program evaluation model
Paramesha: Excellent this is what I am looking from research n outcome perspective. Do Students enjoy animation n enjoy solving the problem for the challenges provided to them..
MCE Kiran: Sure Rajeev, but watch out for complexity. if you look at this volunteer group each one of us come with different back ground too many things to catch up.. we are all stretched for time
Do students really try to solve the problem in a group or alone..
+91 7……: Yes the are four stages that the standard kp model studies – reaction, learning, behavior and results
Paramesha: Do students learn to solve the problems by themselves or they need any extra guidance from the mentors..4 observations I can make out
MCE Kiran: Guru this is open ended we can get into to a brainstorming session one of the days in person we can debate and agree/disagree else too much to type on this tiny screen
Hemanth Sharma: Guru what is “the problem” here…first we are actually trying to define that🙂
Paramesha: Problem is nothing but scratch challenges
MCE Kiran: Good night folks
Err good morning 🙂
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